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chevalnoir
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-18 11:51 PM (#240)
Subject: Truck 101





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Location: Richmond, VA
I plan to purchase an Equispirit 2 horse GN w/2 extra ft. in dressing room. I've driven other people's rigs, but don't know much about trucks except that I need a 3/4 ton to do this job. I know I want 4x4 and I figure I need gas instead of diesel since I will only use it to haul and when it's snowy. I live in VA now, but will be moving out west in the next year or so, so I will be in "real" mountains.I guess my questions are:1- Does brand really matter--I've always liked Fords best, but not due to great data knowledge. 2-What are all the other things I need to make sure are on this truck?3-I'll be buying used (no older than 5 years), so are there any particular model years for the Big Three that should be avoided?Any other education is appreciated!
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rotag
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2006-06-19 6:31 AM (#241 - in reply to #240)
Subject: RE: Truck 101





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Location: Liberty Hill Texas
moving out west real moutains = diese
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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-06-19 6:46 AM (#242 - in reply to #240)
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Location: La Crosse, WI - God's Country
Agreee - if the budget allows, diesel is outstanding for pulling applications: better mileage, long lasting, etc.

All of the big 3 have nice trucks - both Dodge and Ford are rolling out significant changes to their engines. If you're going used, for Ford, I'd look at the 7.3l for durability (the newer 6.0's have been somewhat troubled). Dodge, the 5.9 is a workhorse and the model of simplicity (I-6 design), and lots of folks have been quite pleased with the Chevy Duramax. I don't think you can really go wrong with any of these.

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-06-19 8:22 AM (#243 - in reply to #240)
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Location: PA
"the newer 6.0's have been somewhat troubled)"Now, that's an understatement!! LOL!
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Cloud9
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-06-19 9:23 AM (#244 - in reply to #240)
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Location: MO
Diesel is the way to go. My Dodge w/ Cummins came with a 100,000 mile waranty. Try to find that with gas.
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laxpatrick
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-06-19 10:04 AM (#245 - in reply to #240)
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Location: La Crosse, WI - God's Country
Trying not to create any flame wars... The new Ford engine should be interesting - heard rumors of a 2 stage turbo (two turbos in line).

I love the interior room of the Ford - wish them good luck with the new engines...
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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-06-19 1:25 PM (#246 - in reply to #240)
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Location: Danielsville Georgia

The OLD Ford engine was INTERESTING also.

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chevalnoir
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2006-06-22 9:10 PM (#247 - in reply to #240)
Subject: RE: Truck 101





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Location: Richmond, VA
Thanks for the info so far. Can someone go even more basic for me? Why is diesel a must in mountains? What about a v10?Also, what is torque and axel ratios and how do you know what you need in relation to the engine?Thanks!!
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2006-06-23 6:53 AM (#248 - in reply to #240)
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Location: Hagerstown, MD
Marry the oil Sheik first, then buy the V-10!
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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2006-06-23 6:59 AM (#249 - in reply to #240)
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Location: Hagerstown, MD
Don't get too hung up on all the technical stuff about ratios, torque, engine hp and so on. I personally would buy a used Ford with the 7.3, but that's just my opinon. I'd buy one with a clutch/manaul setup as well. Just my opinon. Some people just flat don't don't like deisels for a ton of reasons. If you want a truck to; pull a load, get relative good fuel milage, no tune ups, work hard and not require a lot of attention, get a diesel.  Buy at least a 3/4 ton, 4X4 with floating axle rear. Happy trails.
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-06-23 8:08 AM (#250 - in reply to #240)
Subject: RE: Truck 101





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Location: North Carolina

Originally written by chevalnoir on 2006-06-22 8:10 PM

Thanks for the info so far. Can someone go even more basic for me? Why is diesel a must in mountains? What about a v10?Also, what is torque and axel ratios and how do you know what you need in relation to the engine?Thanks!!

First, a mountain is something over 5,000 feet.  Here in the East, the mts are really hills. It's not just a diesel in the mountains.   The requirement is a Turbo diesel. (All of the big three are turbodiesel.)  As the altitude increases, the amount of oxygen in the air decreases.  The engine needs oxygen to burn the fuel, less oxygen mean less power.  A turbodiesel is superior to a ordinary gas engine because the turbo forces more oxygen into the engine.  It's like taking a tank of oxygen to climb Mt Everest.  The engine doesn't lose power at high altitude.

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-06-23 8:27 AM (#251 - in reply to #240)
Subject: RE: Truck 101





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Location: PA
From my research, and I've done lots of it lately, go for a Chevy with the LBZ engine and allison transmission if you can. If you can't find a good used one, and do try to find out what the former owner hauled with it!, get a Ford with the 7.3 only!
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-06-23 8:27 AM (#252 - in reply to #240)
Subject: RE: Truck 101





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Originally written by chevalnoir on 2006-06-22 9:10 PM

Thanks for the info so far. Can someone go even more basic for me? Why is diesel a must in mountains? What about a v10?Also, what is torque and axel ratios and how do you know what you need in relation to the engine?Thanks!!


Diesel for mountains because at higher altitudes the air is less dense and (to some extent) the turbo gets some/most of that back for you. Also, by their very nature diesels are better pullers.

V10s have power, but it is more like a sports car power vs farm tractor type of power in the diesel (lay analogy). Not everyone here agrees with my point of view on this, but I think that too much acceleration when towing horses is not good. You don't get much of a choice to use the power as accel OR tugging power, think Cheetah vs Elephant, you want hauling power not sprinting speed.
Don't worry too much about things like axle ratios, just be sure to get a high enough tow capacity, within which axle ratio will be accounted for. Axle ratio is not as meaningful as it once was (way long ago when "top" gear was a direct drive 1:1) due to overdrive transmissions and all indirect trans.

Ford seems to have the weakest transmissions, but the widest "hip room"
(a polite euphamism for the fact that they build it to accomodate America's growing population).



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