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fastguard
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-10-13 9:53 AM (#505)
Subject: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 24

Location: Newnan, GA

Weighed my rig at the local truck stop CAT scale the other day - fully loaded (2 water tanks = 113 gallons, Honda generator, fuel, groceries, saddles, clothes etc) and ready to camp w/ two horses (15.1 h and 16.3 h gelding) aboard.

'01 GMC 2500HD Diesel 4x4 4-door w/ long bed, single rear wheel truck

'02 Featherlite 3H aluminum trailer w/ 10'SW LQ, 7 1/2' tall, 8' w trailer, 7000# axles

Here is what the scale said:

Steer axle = 4280 lbs, drive axle = 6160 lbs, trailer axle = 10700 lbs, Gross weight = 21140 lbs

I don't usually haul the bigger horse - just wanted to report my weight distribution.  I don't feel "undertrucked" or "overtrailered" and I realize a dually would be more stable.  Am I ok as is?  Thanks!

 

 

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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 10:07 AM (#506 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 615

Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)

Sounds like your good to go.

I had a F250 and went to a bigger trailer.

Trailswest,3 horse,10x15 with slide,angled mid tack,extra length and ramp.

Front axle= 5150 rear= 8100  trailer 10600  =23850

Horses and everything under the sun.2710 heaver than you.

So I got 2006  F350 Lariat dually 4x4 crewcab,long bed.

Have fun!!

 


Edited by SLICKRNSNOT 2006-10-13 10:30 AM
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Tx. Vaquero
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2006-10-13 1:10 PM (#507 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





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check the load rating of your rear tires- you may be exceeding it
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Spooler
Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 1:45 PM (#508 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 216

Location: Claxton, Ga.

Originally written by Tx. Vaquero on 2006-10-13 5:10 PM

check the load rating of your rear tires- you may be exceeding it

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.  Weight those rears will hold is the question.

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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 1:52 PM (#509 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 615

Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)

Going by my truck rear axle weight empty 3550

your pin weight should be around 2600 give or take so unless you got real bad tires.....it should be good.

My pin weight is 4850

What does your owners manual say your tow  rating and GCVW is ?

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jdzaharia
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 4:30 PM (#510 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 228

Location: North Dakota
I am surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious. You are exceeding the GVW of your pickup. 10,440 > 9200.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-10-13 4:54 PM (#511 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 727

Location: sc

Originally written by jdzaharia on 2006-10-13 5:30 PM

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the obvious. You are exceeding the GVW of your pickup. 10,440 > 9200.

 the gvwr and gcwr are manufacturer ratings, more related to warrenty and performance, not safety or state law.   i reside in sc so i will only speak for sc (but sc by no means the only state that thinks this way), the transport police DO NOT care about gvwr or gcwr, only axle ratings and what the truck is registered for.

 the rear axle appears to be 76 pounds overweight. and the pin weight ~3300 pounds, depending on what else is in the bed.  and they say 3/4 ton diesels wont haul.

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lostinohio
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 6:08 PM (#512 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





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Glad to see some actual weights listed across the axles in this setup. I agree with what Tx.Vaquero said. I had mentioned of all the large lq's being pulled by SRW 3/4 and 1tons I see at the shows in another post. Was concerned of weight  on rear tires. I have 01 GMC 2500HD crew 4x4 dually(8.1/Allison) with 245/75/16 tires(Michelin) and 89 2500 burbie with 235/85/16(Uniroyal) tires. Both are 'E' rated for 3,042lbs each. And yes the GVWR I believe is 9,200lbs. for that vehicle, it is for my dually. As chadsalt said the police(is that everywhere) aren't interested in GVWR's, but I wonder if insurance companys are in case of an accident. Manufacturers put in numbers for a reason, safety and liability. That duramax should pull it, it's same engine/tranny as in a one ton. Just my 2 cents.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-10-13 6:57 PM (#513 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 727

Location: sc

Originally written by lostinohio on 2006-10-13 7:08 PM

Glad to see some actual weights listed across the axles in this setup. I agree with what Tx.Vaquero said. I had mentioned of all the large lq's being pulled by SRW 3/4 and 1tons I see at the shows in another post. Was concerned of weight  on rear tires. I have 01 GMC 2500HD crew 4x4 dually(8.1/Allison) with 245/75/16 tires(Michelin) and 89 2500 burbie with 235/85/16(Uniroyal) tires. Both are 'E' rated for 3,042lbs each. And yes the GVWR I believe is 9,200lbs. for that vehicle, it is for my dually. As chadsalt said the police(is that everywhere) aren't interested in GVWR's, but I wonder if insurance companys are in case of an accident. Manufacturers put in numbers for a reason, safety and liability. That duramax should pull it, it's same engine/tranny as in a one ton. Just my 2 cents.

ok ill bite.  a 2500hd dually ? with only a 9200 gvwr?  something doesnt sound right.  perhaps a srw converted to a dually?  whats the story?

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lostinohio
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 8:19 PM (#514 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 30

hey chadsalt,

Truck was bought used couple months back and came as described. Talked to GM parts guy and supposedly could order 2500HD with dually option that year(a car/truck review website confirmed it). Perhaps it was ordered to get 3.73(which it has) gears instead of 4.10's. or perhaps city restrictions forbid 1 ton or heavier parking in residential areas(driveways), I remember Country Club Hills or Flossmoor,IL had that restriction years ago. Can't wait to find park place that says no 1 ton or heavier trucks and leave it there. Take care

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lostinohio
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-10-13 8:35 PM (#515 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 30

Here's a link to  that truck review:

The truck is suppose to have same axle as 3500, but no overload spring pack.

 http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/01silverado_hd.htm



Edited by lostinohio 2006-10-13 9:39 PM
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fastguard
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-10-14 9:50 AM (#516 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 24

Location: Newnan, GA

Ok - here is more info on my rig:

Truck has 3.73 rear axle with 4 brand new tires = Toyo A/T Open country Load Range E LT265/75/R16 listed single weight max 3415#, dual 3085#

Truck listed GVWR 9200#, GAWR FRT 4800#, Rear 6084#

I don't usually haul more than my 15.1 h horse - It will be interesting to weigh the rig again without the 16.3 h moose horse I was hauling:)

 

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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-10-14 10:20 AM (#517 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





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Chadsalt,
I agree, 2500 HD duallie would be an aftermarket mod - and with 245 tires probably non-stock rims and/or spacers
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-10-14 10:23 AM (#518 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck





Posts: 1563

Location: North Carolina
Originally written by fastguard on 2006-10-14 8:50 AM

Ok - here is more info on my rig:

Truck has 3.73 rear axle with 4 brand new tires = Toyo A/T Open country Load Range E LT265/75/R16 listed single weight max 3415#, dual 3085#

Truck listed GVWR 9200#, GAWR FRT 4800#, Rear 6084# 

Fastguard ... Thanks for posting ...  Having facts (actual weights) is helpful to our future discussions.

Looks like; at your max load you're 76 pounds over the rear axle rating.  Keeping the water tanks empty would keep you under that.  Depending on which trailer stall position the moose horse was loaded in, leaving him off might make the hitch weight higher, not lower

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MrTruck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2006-10-14 11:06 PM (#519 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 30

Location: Denver CO
At Congress with slow internet, so I'm behind on emails. Glad to see you are weighing your loaded rig. 01 and newer GM diesel HD2500's only had 3.73 axle ratio's with no factory dually option. Factory weight ratings, especially Gross Combined Weight Ratings are what insurance companies and courts go buy. What else do they have? In Colorado, if you are in an accident, no action. But if you are in an accident with another motorist, then the State Patrol may take your rig to a truck scale. This can cause conflict with your insurance coverage, as not wearing a seat belt does.
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fastguard
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-10-16 8:36 AM (#520 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 24

Location: Newnan, GA

That brings up my other question about loading -

I usually keep my first stall full of camping stuff - hay etc.  The second stall belongs to my 15.1 horse and for this trip I put the moose in the last stall, thinking the weight in the back would pull the nose of the trailer up and put less weight on the ball. 

Thank you everyone for your comments.  I will weigh in again next time with the same load and only one horse and see what the difference is.

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fastguard
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-11-21 8:03 AM (#521 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 24

Location: Newnan, GA
Last weight:

steer axle=4280#
drive axle=6160#
trailer axle=10700#
gross weight=21140#


New weights, without moose horse in last stall:

steer axle=4320# (40# more)
drive axle=6380# (220# more)
trailer axle=8980# (1720# less)
gross weight=19680#(1460# less)

So the way I see this - it was to my truck's benefit to have moose horse in the rear - although he boosted my overall rig weight, his butt in the back pulled the weight up off my truck? Next time I go camping, I will put my horse in the last stall and see what that does...


To top off all this new knowledge - I learned a few more things yesterday.

1.) It is great traveling in a convoy, especially with men around to help me

When the bearing goes bad on your trailer tire (and thanks to good friends you catch it before it catches your rig on fire)
2.) You can remove the tire from the same axle, on the other side of the trailer (check with your manufacturer) and drive home safely. I unloaded my horse off my trailer and he rode home with a friend.

My bearings were just serviced and repacked 8/18/06. Go figure.

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MrTruck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2006-11-21 12:26 PM (#522 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 30

Location: Denver CO

My informal survey of trailer owners, puts it somewhere around 30% have had a trailer wheel fly off.

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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2006-11-21 12:32 PM (#523 - in reply to #505)
Subject: RE: Truck/ trailer weighed at scales - questions for mr. truck






Posts: 615

Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)
That's why I do my own,never trust a stranger!!
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