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Kyhorsechic
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-03 10:09 PM (#267)
Subject: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 16

Location: Central Kentucky

We don't tow often, maybe once a month at the most. Selling our Ford dually crew cab long bed, because it's so large and cumbersome to drive daily( forget parking garages, drive-thrus, and parking remotely close to a store  .)   Considering the Chevy 2500 HD, husband wants the Duramax with the Allison transmission, but I'm leaning toward the smaller V8 gas engine. ( In our area diesel costs more per gallon, and we'll only be pulling a trailer occassionally) Anyone recommend one over the other?

 BTW, the Duramax with allison trans. is about $8,000 more than the 6 liter gas engine. Our trailer is a 4H all aluminum Featherlite and we usually only have 3 horses( max) in at one time.

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robdnorm
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2006-07-03 10:39 PM (#268 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 371

Location: West TN

This might start up the whole gas vs. diesel debate again. However, I owned a F-250 once with the V-10, which is the closest equivalent to your gas engine in the Chevrolet.  When I went to trade it in on a diesel, I could hardly get a good trade in value for it.  It had the power, but I took a hit when it came time to get rid of it.  One of the parents of my FFA show kids just bought a new Chevrolet 2500 HD with the gas engine in it and he pulls a 24 foot Featherlite stock trailer hauling 6 head of show cattle with it. These cattle will easily match the weight of any horse.  He says that it pulls good.  Personally, I like the diesel engine.  I would lean more towards it for the long run.  Plus, it should come with more warranty as well.  Not sure how Chevrolet does warranty on their gas engines.  I know the 6.0 in the Ford comes with 100k mile warranty. 

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-07-03 10:47 PM (#269 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 256

Location: rocky mount nc
Why don't you keep what you got and buy a used something that gets 30 plus mpg to run around on. That 6.0 gasser in a 2500 HD pulling a 4 horse.........You help yourself to that punishment, it will go, and it may tow but it's going to sound like it's going to blow! Believe me, you ain't going to be satisfied, not stepping back from a diesel dually to a much lighter chassis with a gas engine with less than 375 foot pounds of torque. Now a 3500 Duramax/Allison is a whole different story. I pull a three horse with a 8.1 gasser, Allison, 4.10's, ext. cab 4x4 and on some hills my trailer (Silver Star Star Lite Supreme 2033MA) is all it wants. 33' total trailer length, loaded, around 10,000#.  Next truck will be at least a one ton or better, sipping #2 fuel oil! My grocery getter is a Hyundai, clicking off anywhere from 30 to 41 mpg. Truck pretty much stays hitched to the trailer all the time.
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texasjewel
Reg. Aug 2005
Posted 2006-07-03 10:51 PM (#270 - in reply to #267)
Subject: truck gas or diesel





Posts: 4

Location: Blossom, TX
I can't comment on the gas engine, but we have a 2004 Chevy Duramax Diesel and have pulled our 3 horse w/lq trailer across the country with it.  We love the Duramax Diesel.  It's easy to forget that 30' trailer is even behind us with the pulling power of this truck.

Edited by texasjewel 2006-07-03 10:54 PM
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recurveman
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-07-03 11:43 PM (#271 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 57

Location: Casa Grande Arizona

I've got a 2004 2500HD ext cab with a duramax/allison in 4X4.  It is the best truck I have ever owned.  I've got 95K on it already and think it is just about broke in.  Do yourself a favor and get the duramax.  They are a great truck.  Remember for the money you are getting the duramax which is fine but your favorite part will be the allison.  The allison is by far and away the best tranny in the light duty truck. 

You will spend a bit more for the duramax but you will get quite a bit of it back in resale.  With my trailer (15K lbs) I get 9.5mpg when it is flat and not blowing like crazy.  It is a bit much for the truck but it does a pretty good job for me. 

Everytime I go up a hill I always tell my wife that we would be going as slow as those people we are passing if I would have bought the gas instead of the duramax.   

Later,

Chad

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RoperChick
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-07-04 1:11 AM (#272 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





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I would get the diesel, you'll get most or all of the additional cost you spend on the diesel back when you sell the truck.  In between, you'll have the added power, durability and fuel mileage of a diesel.  

My sister-in-law has a 2500 with the 6.0 gas engine in it.  We pulled our gooseneck trailer with 3 horses and everything but the kitchen sink in it, to Oklahoma City, with our 7.3 liter Diesel Ford dually.   She followed us with her truck and a 2 horse bumper pull trailer.  Our trailer weighed in at about 9500lbs, her trailer at about 6000lbs, even with her much lighter load, her gas engine really strained to keep up with us on hills and she had to stop for fuel almost twice as often as we did.  The duramax will outpull our 7.3 liter engine, so for you with your trailer the difference between the two engines is probably pretty significant.

And lastly, my sister-in-law and I both use our trucks for daily driving.  We figured out that even when diesel is .60 cents more per gallon, it's still cheaper to drive our diesel trucks than hers because ours diesels get much better mpg. 



Edited by RoperChick 2006-07-04 1:15 AM
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-07-04 6:36 AM (#273 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 2621

Originally written by Kyhorsechic on 2006-07-03 10:09 PM

We don't tow often, maybe once a month at the most. Selling our Ford dually crew cab long bed, because it's so large and cumbersome to drive daily( forget parking garages, drive-thrus, and parking remotely close to a store .) Considering the Chevy 2500 HD, husband wants the Duramax with the Allison transmission, but I'm leaning toward the smaller V8 gas engine. ( In our area diesel costs more per gallon, and we'll only be pulling a trailer occassionally) Anyone recommend one over the other?

BTW, the Duramax with allison trans. is about $8,000 more than the 6 liter gas engine. Our trailer is a 4H all aluminum Featherlite and we usually only have 3 horses( max) in at one time.



If I was REALLY not towing often or far I think I'd keep it around just for towing and get something small and economic for trips to the store, etc.
I'm not a "Must park near the door" type at work, stores or wherever.
I don't circle the parking lot looking for the closest spot, or try to get next to the handicap slots. I usually park way out to avoid the door swingers and get a few extra walking strides. So parked vehicle size doesn't bother me.

Yeah, $8K is a lot of money, but hopefully most of the extra ~$7K that I spent last time will come back to me when I sell what I have. The money is tied up, but interest rates are hardly worth putting it in savings or a CD for, I probably save more on fuel than I'd get on a CD anyway (-:
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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-07-04 7:21 AM (#274 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 565

Location: Michigan

From  a women's standpoint, buy a diesel or just keep what you have and buy a little car to toot around town. I've pulled with a 2500 gasser and now have the Duramax, and would never go back. I use my Dmax for all of my driving, around town, traveling and towing my 3horse gooseneck with a 6' short walled living quarters. I get 18mpg around town, 20-22mpg on the highway, without a trailer and 15-16mpg towing. And as others have said, the Allison transmission is superb.

Your husband is right in leaning towards a  diesel. I once had a guy come up to me while I was putting fuel in my truck with my trailer attached and he just shook his head and said" I should have bought one of those(Duramax)" and walked away. I watched him and he went over and got into his Chevy 2500HD gasser.

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Kyhorsechic
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-04 8:37 AM (#275 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 16

Location: Central Kentucky

Thanks everyone .  I do have a chevy car to run errands in, but she's on her last leg, were going to trade in both the car and the dually for the Chevy truck.  I love the Ford dually, runs and pulls great, it's just the length and the width of the truck makes it difficult to manuever around town and I couldn't justify keeping it only to pull horses once a month. I think we will go with the Duramax or look at the Ford's SWB diesel. Thanks for all the advice!  : )

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nanny
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2006-07-04 2:05 PM (#276 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 0

Location: merryville,la.
Duramax/Allison only way 2 go. Great, amazing truck.
Happy trails
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-07-04 6:11 PM (#277 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 937

Location: michigan

We bought a diesel truck ( ford 250) primarily because we wanted the pulling power of a diesel and the longer life of the engine. We bought it used rather than new, let someone else drive the depreciation off. I wouldn't buy new again unless there was a incredible deal.

I don't drive the truck for everyday stuff. We have a small car for that. Its easier to tootle around in, easier to get my stuff in and out plus, if we have a kid or two with us, there just isn't any room in the truck. With the 4:10 rear axle and over sized tires, I can get about 14 mpg pulling and its chipped.

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jackbrat
Reg. Jun 2007
Posted 2006-07-04 10:22 PM (#278 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





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Ardly
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2006-07-05 1:10 AM (#279 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 143

Location: southeast U.S.A.

Kyhorsechic,
I sent you a P.M.

                 Ardly

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Tim
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2006-07-05 8:12 AM (#280 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 36

Location: Eldred, Illinois
I've got a 2004 2500HD with a 6.0 gasser with 410 gears.  It pulls a 30 ft. Cherokee gooseneck with ease.  Gets about 8 mpg.  8000 dollars buys a lot of gas.  I don't want a noisy stinking diesel that I can't find fuel for just anywhere. 
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-07-05 10:27 AM (#281 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 2621

Originally written by Tim on 2006-07-05 8:12 AM

I've got a 2004 2500HD with a 6.0 gasser with 410 gears. It pulls a 30 ft. Cherokee gooseneck with ease. Gets about 8 mpg. 8000 dollars buys a lot of gas. I don't want a noisy stinking diesel that I can't find fuel for just anywhere.


Sure $8,000 buys a lot of "gas", but the $8,000 is only the list price.
With discounts we don't actually PAY that.
As others have reported, you get most of it back at re-sale time AND I get between 13 and 14 MPG (according to load and conditions) vs your 8.
The money isn't better off in a savings, money market account or CD, (investment)interest rates still s*ck.
I've never had problems finding diesel fuel, MOST of the big trucks run on it, it is readily available just about everywhere in the civilised world.
re: noisy and stinking - when properly maintained no worse than a gas engine.
Try it, you MIGHT like it (-:

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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2006-07-05 10:38 AM (#282 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 615

Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)

The gas engine is cheaper in the start and it will get r done but it eats gas and is not as good when it comes to pulling,My good friend has a chevy 2500 gas job and if we move hay he has to stop and fill up twice as often as I do.I bought a Ford simply because I couldn't get Chevy to give Me a good deal.Not to mention got the basic same package with all the goodies for $10000 less than Chevy.I don't have any chips but the dog puked in the back and the grand kids spilled some pop !!

That ought to be good for a couple of more miles per gallon.

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horse crazy
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-07-05 11:59 AM (#283 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 0

Location: ellicott, CO
My husband and I bought a 3500 Duramax and love it. Both of us drive trucks. We will be looking for another one soon and wouldn't have anything else but the Duramax. I was filling up just the other day and a fellow pulls up in 3500 Dodge. His comment: what a nice truck I wish I had bought a Chevy Duramax. We have a 1/2 ton Chevy gas motor also, were talking a huge difference in the power when pulling horses. The Duramax engines are not nearly as noisy as the others. Don't let people tell you different. Find out for yourself. Good Luck
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longearsrule
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2006-07-05 2:13 PM (#284 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 109

Location: Grapeland, Texas
I also have a Chevy duramax. It is a 3500, dually, 4x4 and I love it. I have had several people approach me also to ask how I liked it, most of them were driving the older loud Dodges. I wouldn't have anything else.
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-07-05 7:17 PM (#285 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 937

Location: michigan
I like the chug of a diesel. Its not so bad and neither is the smell. I do know of a pal that prefers a gas truck mainly because of the winters- she doesn't have to plug it in or have any gelling problems in the winter, I can certainly understand this concern. As far as availablity of fuel, I have not had a problem finding fuel. I know smaller stations in the sticks might not have diesel fuel available but most any town will. I guess you'd just plan ahead. While the upfront cost might be higher with a diesel you are getting more bnag for the buck.
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RoperChick
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-07-05 7:41 PM (#286 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 1

I'm with you Farmbabe I really like the sound of a diesel and very rarely have trouble finding diesel. I would really have a hard time going back to a gas engine for towing.

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Kyhorsechic
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-06 7:49 AM (#287 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 16

Location: Central Kentucky
Well we went to the Chevy dealership yesterday to drive the 2500 HD diesel.  The motor sounded great and very  quiet, but the interior just couldn't compare to our Ford Lariat. It was a lot smaller, width , leg room and head room and the seats were hard, this was the LT model, little wimpy tires, no rear sliding glass.  I was just unimpressed with the truck overall. We pulled our Ford next to it when we got there, and our truck looked so much better!  I'm sure the Duramax and Allison is great,but I think I'll stick with Ford.  Thanks though for all the information and advice...  :  )
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SLICKRNSNOT
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2006-07-06 8:45 AM (#288 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 615

Location: THE GREAT NORTHWET, OREGON(THE REAL GODS COUNTRY)
Amen on the Ford and room,looked at chevy too and liked My Ford.Test drove Dodge and Chevy but both were more money and not as nice as Ford.I am not against either truck, just liked Ford Lariat.

Edited by SLICKRNSNOT 2006-07-06 8:50 AM
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-07-06 10:06 AM (#289 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 937

Location: michigan
I like my ford too.
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Yvette
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-06 1:33 PM (#290 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 51

Location: Illinois

Hi, new here. If what someone was telling me is right, I'd wait. I don't think it's a done deal yet and could take a couple of years for the change, but there is talk Chrysler, now owned by Mercedes, wants to end their deal with Cummins and go with a Mercedes diesel. Which has GM talking to Cummins about replacing the Duramax.

So have any of our truck experts here heard anything about the possibility of this actually happening?

Edited to add, if you aren't going to be driving it long distances when you do drive it, you might be better off with the gas engine. Diesels do best when they go distances on a regular basis.



Edited by Yvette 2006-07-06 1:36 PM
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barry
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-07-06 1:50 PM (#291 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 211

Location: Kansas City
Excuse me, but the original post said they towed once per month. There is not anyway, anyhow that you can justify the cost of a diesel engine to tow something once per month unless that one time is a cross-country trip.

Diesel engines are designed to be "used." Used doesn't mean running 5 miles to the grocery store, shutting down, starting up, driving 3 miles to the bank, etc.

As for resale, I believe there are a few gas burners that make it to the second owners.

Many times the desire for a one-ton diesel dually outweighs the "real" need for one. If you want one that's fine but it is not a requirement to have one and tow a horse trailer one time per month.
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