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dblhocker
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2006-07-06 2:10 PM (#292 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 26

Location: Grundy Center, IA

There is a very large road construction company in my area that has a very large fleet of pickups, approx. 150 of them.  Most of these pickups are used to get to job sites, bring fuel to road equipment, that sort of thing.  They run these vehicles to approx. 120,000 to 150,000 miles.  They seldom use these pickups to pull a trailer however.  They run all Fords, and most are predominately super duty F250's.  In the past they have run a mix of diesels and gassers.  They keep an excellent history of each and every vehicle, keeping track of any cost associated with that vehicle, all the way down to light bulbs.  Starting this year, they will no longer buy any diesel pickups, because they can't justify the expense of them.  It costs them more per mile driven to have a diesel than it does a gas engine.

I think a diesel is a great engine for pulling a trailer, and if you want one, by all means you should have one.  I think there are many positives to be had by having a diesel such as more power and torque.  I just don't think that you can justify one by claiming you will be money ahead with one, especially if you aren't pulling a trailer constantly.  That's the great thing about the good ole USA; we have a choice of not only different brands, but different power plants to put in them.  In the end, do what is best for you and you alone, because you're the one who has to make the payments. 

 

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Kyhorsechic
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-06 3:39 PM (#293 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 16

Location: Central Kentucky
We probably wouldn't have originally bought the dually if we hadn't got a great deal on it.  We usually trail ride once a month ( camping for the week-end with the horses) and is approx. 150-200 miles one way. Also we live out of the way, so there isn't anything 3-5 miles from our house. My husband wanted the diesel because it has a 100,000 mile warranty-comapred to 36,000 for the gas, gets double the gas mileage as the gas and will pull anything with less strain. 
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-07-07 7:15 AM (#294 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 2621

Originally written by dblhocker on 2006-07-06 2:10 PM

There is a very large road construction company in my area that has a very large fleet of pickups, approx. 150 of them. Most of these pickups are used to get to job sites, bring fuel to road equipment, that sort of thing. They run these vehicles to approx. 120,000 to 150,000 miles. They seldom use these pickups to pull a trailer however. They run all Fords, and most are predominately super duty F250's. In the past they have run a mix of diesels and gassers. They keep an excellent history of each and every vehicle, keeping track of any cost associated with that vehicle, all the way down to light bulbs. Starting this year, they will no longer buy any diesel pickups, because they can't justify the expense of them. It costs them more per mile driven to have a diesel than it does a gas engine.

I think a diesel is a great engine for pulling a trailer, and if you want one, by all means you should have one. I think there are many positives to be had by having a diesel such as more power and torque. I just don't think that you can justify one by claiming you will be money ahead with one, especially if you aren't pulling a trailer constantly. That's the great thing about the good ole USA; we have a choice of not only different brands, but different power plants to put in them. In the end, do what is best for you and you alone, because you're the one who has to make the payments.



THAT story sounds more like an endorsement of an old saying than support for choosing a gas engine over a diesel. It goes something like;

Once you let the accountants and lawyers take over the running of your company (from the innovators) its all down hill.
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Too L Ranch
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 10:38 AM (#295 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 39

Location: Northern, CA
About 5 years ago we switched to running all diesels. Being working ranch vehicles, our trucks take a beating. The diesels have the GUTS to pull the trailers and carry the loads. We run all Chevys, from the 2002, 2500 HD Duramax to the new Kodiaks. The 2500 HD Duramax has always performed extremely well hauling, we can easily pull a fully loaded stock trailer (4 horses). We get 21mpg whether we are hauling or not. That is the great thing about a diesel: you don't lose gas mileage because you are pulling a load (why we won't even consider a gas vehicle). Also, the torque is great, the HD has guts, you don't die on the hills. Since we are in the mountains, that's a big deal to us too. Yeah, diesel fuel runs about 5 cents more a gallon than gas, but we wouldn't own a gasser. We are enjoying great performance and low to no repair bills.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-07-07 11:26 AM (#296 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 727

Location: sc
We get 21mpg whether we are hauling or not. That is the great thing about a diesel: you don't lose gas mileage because you are pulling a load (why we won't even consider a gas vehicle).
HUH? 21mpg hauling? i need your calculator, i get 21mpg empty on the highway and only 13.5mpg pulling 6000# running 60-65mph.
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-07-07 11:44 AM (#297 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





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Originally written by Kyhorsechic on 2006-07-06 7:49 AM

Well we went to the Chevy dealership yesterday to drive the 2500 HD diesel. The motor sounded great and very quiet, but the interior just couldn't compare to our Ford Lariat. It was a lot smaller, width , leg room and head room and the seats were hard, this was the LT model, little wimpy tires, no rear sliding glass. I was just unimpressed with the truck overall. We pulled our Ford next to it when we got there, and our truck looked so much better! I'm sure the Duramax and Allison is great,but I think I'll stick with Ford. Thanks though for all the information and advice... : )


Gee, that seems a curious rationalization (-:
I'm somewhere around 6ft 3in (with or w/o socks) and have NO problem with the amount of space in the Chevvy. Firm seats are a PLUS in my opinion, but I only do a few (3 or 4) cross country trips a year and rarely drive more than 650/700 miles in a single day, so whad_do I know ? I do know that I prefer to NOT sink into soft seats that offer little support on the rapidly deteriorating interstate highways, say I-90, I-80, I-40, I-70, are there any GOOD surfaced I-nn ?
I guess I don't understand the "little wimpy tires" description, if you know better than GM about tire selection for load rating I'd REALLY appreciate you sharing your knowledge with those of us less fortunate. BTW, "phat" tires DO hydroplane more easily than narrower tires (all other things being equal, etc.)
Hip room ? OK, I'll leave that alone - some people need it, I don't.
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RoperChick
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 12:56 PM (#298 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 1


Originally written by Kyhorsechic on 2006-07-06 7:49 AM

Well we went to the Chevy dealership yesterday to drive the 2500 HD diesel. The motor sounded great and very quiet, but the interior just couldn't compare to our Ford Lariat. It was a lot smaller, width , leg room and head room and the seats were hard, this was the LT model, little wimpy tires, no rear sliding glass. I was just unimpressed with the truck overall. We pulled our Ford next to it when we got there, and our truck looked so much better! I'm sure the Duramax and Allison is great,but I think I'll stick with Ford. Thanks though for all the information and advice... : )

Originally written by Reg on 2006-07-07 11:44 AM
Gee, that seems a curious rationalization (-: I'm somewhere around 6ft 3in (with or w/o socks) and have NO problem with the amount of space in the Chevvy. Firm seats are a PLUS in my opinion, but I only do a few (3 or 4) cross country trips a year and rarely drive more than 650/700 miles in a single day, so whad_do I know ? I do know that I prefer to NOT sink into soft seats that offer little support on the rapidly deteriorating interstate highways, say I-90, I-80, I-40, I-70, are there any GOOD surfaced I-nn ? I guess I don't understand the "little wimpy tires" description, if you know better than GM about tire selection for load rating I'd REALLY appreciate you sharing your knowledge with those of us less fortunate. BTW, "phat" tires DO hydroplane more easily than narrower tires (all other things being equal, etc.) Hip room ? OK, I'll leave that alone - some people need it, I don't.

It's just a matter of preference, I've done cross country travelling in both Fords & Chevy's.  Personally, I find the interior of the Ford much more comfortable and so does my husband who is 6'4".  Also, in my opinion, the fit and finish in the Ford is nicer than in the Chevy.  Our Fords are 7 and 4 years old, and the exterior and interiors look great.  My sister-in-law's Chevy truck is a year old and already has things breaking on it.  Both side view mirrors are broken, the doors on the passenger side have wind noise (since it was new) so loud it sounds like the window is partly open (the dealer has tried to fix it with no luck).  And lastly, the hinge on the lid for the center console is broken.  My sister doesn't abuse her truck, it's happened under normal use, I wouldn't expect it to happen in a truck so new.



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longearsrule
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 3:38 PM (#299 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 109

Location: Grapeland, Texas
Roperchick, I have heard the same complaints on Fords and Dodges. I have a 2003 Chevy and it is holding up good. I think in all the different models it is kind of the luck, or bad luck, of the draw. There is going to be some in each group that just don't hold up it seems. Workmanship and pride in your job just isn't what it used to be.
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farmbabe
Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2006-07-07 3:39 PM (#300 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 937

Location: michigan

Hey I am no expert but when I go to buy a truck, I buy what I like. If she likes the ford better, even if she thinks the chevy has "wimpy" tires, thats her business. I like nice, well placed cup holders and I am no interior auto designer. My pal has a nice Chevy,slick number it is. She loves it. I have a Ford- I love it. They both do the same job but we just perfer different things about them.

 

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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2006-07-07 4:07 PM (#301 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?






Posts: 212

Location: Western WA
You know what really gets me about this whole thread? There has been some great discussion as to gas vs diesel and comparing brands. Its dissappointing that there is so much inconsistency in quality in the American made truck brands. I have an F350 diesel to pull my horse trailer with, with only 60k miles. I have had to replace most of the front suspension, tranny seal, oil pump seal, 4wd hubs, and its in the shop currently having the turbo exhaust tubes replaced. This is a dissappointing amount of maintenance for something with that few of miles on it. Bought the truck in 2003 with less than 20k miles on it, since then it has only pulled a trailer less than 5x (got a late start). Before the F350 I had an Expedition. By the time it had 80k miles on it the front differential locked up going down the freeway at 60mph (that was fun), the rear differential locked up on a freeway onramp (nearly as fun), I replaced the brake pads annually, and had done a variety of other non-maintenance repairs. I have had a handful of Japanese-built cars (Honda, Infiniti) and have gone to 100k miles with only oil changes, filter changes, and brake pads. I am all for buying American made products when the quality is there, but I'll be the first to say that the day Nissan or Toyota builds a true one ton that competes with the F350 or Chevy 3500, I'll be the first in line to put in my order.
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RoperChick
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 4:31 PM (#302 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 1

Originally written by longearsrule on 2006-07-07 3:38 PM

Roperchick, I have heard the same complaints on Fords and Dodges. I have a 2003 Chevy and it is holding up good. I think in all the different models it is kind of the luck, or bad luck, of the draw. There is going to be some in each group that just don't hold up it seems. Workmanship and pride in your job just isn't what it used to be.

I'm not talking about hearsay, I'm talking about my experience.  When we went looking at diesels in 1999, we looked at all three, Ford, Chevy and Dodge.  We were most impressed with the Ford, that's why we chose that brand, and we've been really happy with both of our trucks.  I agree that you'll find happy and unhappy truck owners no-matter which brand you buy, and that the quality of the big three trucks isn't always what it should be.

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Too L Ranch
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 5:18 PM (#303 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 39

Location: Northern, CA
Whoa...I didn't know they even MADE a Trailblazer that is a diesel! No, ALL of our diesels keep a pretty constant fuel consumption, whether towing or not. And, yeah, the 21mpg is correct. The Kodiaks get 11 to 12 mpg, and they are towing 18,000 lbs. I'd probably get better mileage if I slowed down, but we haul the speed limit; if it says 70mph, we're going 70mph.
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Too L Ranch
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 5:24 PM (#304 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 39

Location: Northern, CA
hmm...wonder WHAT version of the HD you looked at? Ours is a crew cab, leather, heated seats...every creature comfort you could ask for. 6 ft plus men fit just fine and little women can drive it just as easily. Our Ford and Dodge friends are jealous of all of the "comforts" and more than jealous of the gas mileage.
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chadsalt
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-07-07 6:54 PM (#305 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 727

Location: sc

Originally written by Too L Ranch on 2006-07-07 6:18 PM

Whoa...I didn't know they even MADE a Trailblazer that is a diesel! No, ALL of our diesels keep a pretty constant fuel consumption, whether towing or not. And, yeah, the 21mpg is correct. The Kodiaks get 11 to 12 mpg, and they are towing 18,000 lbs. I'd probably get better mileage if I slowed down, but we haul the speed limit; if it says 70mph, we're going 70mph.

you may notice the gmc dmax at the bottom of my sig, but when i had the trailblazer it got 13.5mpg pulling the same trailer.....and it was gas.

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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2006-07-07 8:38 PM (#306 - in reply to #267)
Subject: RE: Chevy Truck Duramax or gas?





Posts: 200

Location: Dickinson, TX

Occasional towing only, you'll never make up the initial expense of the diesel/Allison option.  Maintenance is higher on a diesel, and if diesel is more expensive than gasoline in your area then you're really probably better buying a gasoline engine.

NOW, having said that, I prefer towing with a diesel over gas any day.  I owned a '91 F-350 IDI diesel and now own an '06 Ram 3500 diesel WITHOUT an automatic transmission.  Best truck I have ever owned, bar none.  The Dmax/Allison are a great combination but are very expensive, and you'll need to consider rebuild costs on that Allison.  My opinion is that all automatics are getting too technical nowadays, too expensive to rebuild, and manuals are better for pure towing.  Just my opinion.

Get the gas engine, go lightly on the throttle, and enjoy reasonable mpg and lower maintenance costs.

One final thought.  Posts on this topic have mentioned Ford and Chevy, but very little about Dodge.  I come from a 10+ year background of driving Ford trucks, but defected to Dodge when I bought my new truck this month to replace my '91 F350 diesel.  Ford would not make me a good deal on price.  The Ram 3500 I ordered is TIGHT--not a rattle over ANY bump.  I could have gotten out of the dealership for $30,000 even until I started adding options such as side airbags, nav system, Jake brake, tow package, etc.  I'm totally impressed with the quality of the truck and wouldn't feel right if I didn't push it just a little bit.  This ain't your daddy's Dodge... so to say.

My wife's 2000 Silverado was falling apart when I met her in 2003; by this year, the tailgate latch trim had fallen off in my hand, her driver's side mirror had broken from just normal use, her turn signal relay would not shut off, the thing leaked coolant into the engine, and her front end was making noises.  Interior carpet had faded badly, and the seats had broken down.  SO... take the kind words on Chevy trucks with a grain of salt.  ALL the Big 3 have their problems, and you'll just have to 1) take a chance and 2) decide what you can/can't live with.  I'd say the best all-around gas-powered truck would be a Ford.  The quad cab Dodge would be my choice in a diesel--smaller than a crew cab but bigger in the back seat than Ford's extended cab offering.  The $4000 difference in negotiated price between the diesel Ram and the diesel F-350 made my decision relatively easy.

I didn't even consider Chevy due to experiences with my wife's truck and my 2001 Impala LS, which lost its transmission at 40,000 miles (and GM would not step up to help with any of the $3000 replacement cost), then lost its catalytic converter at 41,000 miles, and at 41,500 is starting to need front end work.



Edited by racesarabhorses 2006-07-07 8:55 PM
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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2006-07-07 8:41 PM (#307 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 200

Location: Dickinson, TX

Originally written by Too L Ranch on 2006-07-07 10:38 AM

About 5 years ago we switched to running all diesels. Being working ranch vehicles, our trucks take a beating. The diesels have the GUTS to pull the trailers and carry the loads. We run all Chevys, from the 2002, 2500 HD Duramax to the new Kodiaks. The 2500 HD Duramax has always performed extremely well hauling, we can easily pull a fully loaded stock trailer (4 horses). We get 21mpg whether we are hauling or not. That is the great thing about a diesel: you don't lose gas mileage because you are pulling a load (why we won't even consider a gas vehicle). Also, the torque is great, the HD has guts, you don't die on the hills. Since we are in the mountains, that's a big deal to us too. Yeah, diesel fuel runs about 5 cents more a gallon than gas, but we wouldn't own a gasser. We are enjoying great performance and low to no repair bills.

 Are you SURE you're getting the same mpg towing and unloaded?  That's the first time I've ever heard that, from ANY diesel pickup owner.  Most folks I know are getting about 12-14 towing 10,000 pounds with their diesels, maybe 20-22 when unloaded on the newer trucks from the Big 3 makers.

 

I got 12-13 with my '91 F-350 pulling a 30' long 3-horse gooseneck grossed out at 10,000 pounds.  I got 18 on the 800 mile drive home with the brand new Dodge--and that included miles of driving up the Smokies through TN/NC-- but expect 21-22 by the time it is broken in sometime after 20,000 miles.  Mileage has been constantly improving... most other Dodge owners I know are getting 13-14 with trailers anywhere from 10,000 to 14,000 pounds.  The Ford guys seem to be doing about the same.



Edited by racesarabhorses 2006-07-07 9:01 PM
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inWA
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2006-07-07 8:52 PM (#308 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 105

OK, my two cents. When we went out looking for a new truck the duramax was in its third year. We drove a 2002 Dodge, sorry but I felt no support in the seats, drove the ford, found it to be louder than all three major ones. Wife was wondering about the diesel, thought that they were loud and gave off lots of black smoke. Duramax was quiet in the cab, sold her on it. First time coming down a long hill, western Washington, stepped on brake, second hit on brake the allison shifted to hill holder mode. Smile and I love this tranny.

Where we tow the hills get BIG, mountains are high and the truck with this combo works well. If you are hauling in mostly flat areas. And you do not have to climb 3500 feet or stop at a light at the bottom of a hill turn and go up a 4 to 5% grade the gasser would do it. And I get around 15-16 miles per gallon.

What we haul is a Trail-et WindShadow Eventer, extra tall and wide. With two 1600 pound warmbloods both 17 hands. Plus all the tack and feed for three days at a show.
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nanny
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2006-07-07 9:19 PM (#309 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 0

Location: merryville,la.
Agree, agree, the allison tranny in the downhill mode is priceless. We also shopped all 'three' and the duramax is definitely the most quiet.
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Kyhorsechic
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-07 10:21 PM (#310 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 16

Location: Central Kentucky

Reg:

 I said the Chevy 2500 had LESS head room, leg room and the interior was narrower than our Ford F-350. The tires were wimpy, on the Chevy we test drove.  They sure didn't look like they belonged on a 4x4 truck, more like a sedan. The rear seats were like sitting on a stadium bench, not good in my opinion. As far as your "hip room" remark, your probably right. I'm sure you've never had hips in your truck, so you wouldn't know. 

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-07-08 5:02 AM (#311 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 621

Location: Danielsville Georgia
I prefer a diesel over gas no matter what the price of fuel etc.BUT IF buying a GAS like a G.M truck get the BIGGEST gas engine! It will pull BETTER and fuel mileage over the LARGE to smaller is not much of a differance towing and in some cases better.If pulling goose neck trailers etc.Get the MOST H.P. available! It will drive MUCH better.
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racesarabhorses
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2006-07-08 8:00 AM (#312 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 200

Location: Dickinson, TX

You guys talk about Quiet like it is a good thing.

Boy, where have the real diesel enthusiasts gone.... 

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hounddog
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2006-07-08 8:09 AM (#313 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 621

Location: Danielsville Georgia
I have a 03 and MISS my 93 12 valve.It sounded like a DIESEL !!!!
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Too L Ranch
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2006-07-08 10:38 PM (#314 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 39

Location: Northern, CA
POSITIVE that we get the same mileage, towing or not, with all of the diesels. That is a diesel is supposed to do. The day we buy one that doesn't, it will get booted out of the fleet. As an aside, the HD2500 has 140,000 miles on it and has had one repair that was not regular maintenance (cost $1,000).
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MIfarmbabe
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-07-09 6:24 AM (#315 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 565

Location: Michigan

 "I said the Chevy 2500 had LESS head room, leg room and the interior was narrower than our Ford F-350. The tires were wimpy, on the Chevy we test drove.  They sure didn't look like they belonged on a 4x4 truck, more like a sedan. The rear seats were like sitting on a stadium bench, not good in my opinion. As far as your "hip room" remark, your probably right. I'm sure you've never had hips in your truck, so you wouldn't know. " Quote by KYhorseychic

 

My '04 Dmax has those so-called "wimpy tires" you saw on a Dmax and I have 40,000 miles on them with no problems and I tow a 3 horse slant LQ gooseneck. They are wearing well and still have decent tread on them.  They are rated for towing and I'll probably go the 50,000 miles on them before I replace them with the same.


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Broken Bit
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2006-07-09 7:43 AM (#316 - in reply to #267)
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Posts: 216

Location: Northern IN.


What the world is all the fuss about, nobody will ever agree on this aguement, that's why the say "different strokes for different folks"  Why don't you all get yourselves a good ole'  '83 Toyota four banger like I drive?  I have absolutely no problem pullin' any of our trailers (even double decked cattle trailers) and there's PLENTY on interior room.  Great fuel mileage AND only four, that's right, count 'em FOUR lug nuts to keep an eye on.  Tires are cheap and can be located at any discount store or yard sale!!  If we leave our tailgates off we can expect to see upwards of 37 mpg.  With the missing muffler you can get some sound out of these babys that would put a 12 valve Cummins to shame.  I'm tellin y'all this is the way to go, for sure, absolutley.  We wouldn't have anything else (except MAYBEE a Chevy Luv) on the ranch!!

 

  P.S. Kyhorsechick,  please send more info on the Ford C.C. you have for sale, if it's a 4x4. I may be, I mean.... I may know someone that is interested!  What color is it?

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